449. Film Club: Touching the Void (Part 2)

Part 2 of this Film Club episode looking at the award-winning documentary “Touching the Void” which tells the story of a mountain climbing expedition which goes wrong. Listen to this episode and then watch the film on Netflix or DVD for that extra bit of English input.

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The Story Continues…

Their plan was to climb back down the North ridge and then abseil down a part of the north face.

Abseiling is when you use ropes to kind of lower yourself down. But the clouds started coming in again.

The walk along the north ridge was much harder than expected. It was vertical on one side (with overhangs) and steep flutings (like grooves going down) on the other side. You wouldn’t know if you were stepping on something safe or not.

As they were descending, with the weather setting in, things got a bit out of control.

They got lost and they were in a whiteout – unable to see anything.

Their plan was to get down that day. But, by the time the sun went down they were still very high up the mountain, still over 6,000m up.

That night while they were making a brew of water, their gas ran out.

Day 4

The next day they could see that they’d managed to get down the worst part of the ridge and Simon thought they’d get down the rest of the mountain that day. He thought the whole climb was “in the bag” (if something is ‘in the bag’ it means you’re certain to achieve it, you’re definitely going to get it.)

Simon thought it was in the bag. He was wrong.

Joe was climbing in the front, before Simon. He reached a vertical wall, a fall in front of him, so he started to lower himself off it.

The method of lowering yourself down an ice wall, using pick axes and spikes on your feet.
Joe swung his pick into the ice, and it made a strange sound, so he decided to take it out and place it in again.

He was about to swing again, and the whole piece of ice he was attached to with his left hand just came off like a pancake, so he fell through the air.

And he landed hard, on his leg.

It broke, really badly. Not just a fracture.

Pain flew up his thigh from his knee. Incredibly painful.

I’ve never broken my leg and I hope I never do because I’m sure it’s horrible.
I have injured myself before. Of course, I’ve cut my fingers on knives etc. When you do injure yourself there is a shock, especially a kind of shock where you think it could be serious. That kind of shock lasts a few moments, when you don’t just feel pain but you feel a kind of panic, thinking “I’ve seriously hurt myself”. Most of the time that feeling goes away when you realise it’s not bad.

But if it is serious, you get this dreadful feeling that comes on. A truly dreadful feeling that comes from the realisation of just how difficult and inconvenient things are going to get. Not just the pain, but the fact that you now have this injury which is going to make everything so damn hard for you.

Now imagine that feeling when you’re 6000 metres up the side of a freezing mountain in Peru with no water and no medical services anywhere near you.

I don’t know about you, but I would feel more than dread, I’d feel pretty hopeless. I imagine I would feel more than the pain and the inconvenience, there would also be all this emotion coming, like anger, tragedy, sadness.

Anyway, Joe at this point was mainly feeling the intense pain of a badly broken leg.

Here’s what happened, and this is really horrible, ok?

The impact of the fall caused his knee joint to actually split. The joint split and the bone from the lower leg went up through the knee joint, split the end of his femur (the thigh bone) and carried on up the leg.

Unimaginable really. All those ligaments completely ruined, the bone, cartilage, nerve endings, and of course the blood vessels broken by it.

The whole leg would have been unusable of course, and there was a lot of internal bleeding inside his leg.

Apparently he couldn’t cope with the pain at all at the beginning, but after breathing for a while he started to get a grip on it.

But he thought he was done for. He was still level with the peaks of some of the other mountains.

He tried to stand on the leg – impossible.
Simon eventually arrived, and he describes seeing Joe’s face – a complex mix of terror, pain and anguish.

Simon said “Are you ok” and Joe nearly said “I’m fine thanks” – because that’s what we say to that question, even if you’re not fine!

But he said “No I’ve broken my leg” and immediately Simon thought, “Oh god, we’re stuffed”
Now. What would you do if you were Simon and Joe here?

Let’s imagine you’re Joe.

You say, “mate, you’ve got to help me” or “Go ahead without me, I’m stuffed!” or “Don’t you dare leave me!”

Let’s say you’re Simon, what do you say here?
“Mate, don’t worry. We’ll get you down this mountain.”
“Look, you’re not going to make it. Do you have anything you want me to say to your parents?”
“Wait here, I’ll go and get help. I’ll come back for you I promise!”

Obviously, Joe is the one with the broken leg and the pain, but Simon also is in a difficult situation here because they’re partners.

According to Joe, Simon gave him some painkillers which did nothing, and they didn’t talk about it for a few moments because they both knew that Simon was going to have to leave Joe there, because they couldn’t get Joe down from the mountain without risking both their lives in the process.

Joe thought Simon would leave him there because there was no other choice.

Meanwhile, Richard, the third guy is sitting at base camp wondering what has happened to them, thinking that they both might be dead and that he’d find them at the bottom of the mountain because they’d just fall all the way to the bottom! There wasn’t really anything Richard could do because they were many many miles away from civilisation. There was no ambulance service to call. No mobile phones in the 80s. He just had to wait and see.

Back on the mountain, Simon pulled himself together to think about how he was going to get Joe down the mountain.

He decided to try and save him and had to come up with a practical solution.

The plan was, he’d just lower Joe down the mountain on a rope. Just slide him down.

He tied two 150ft ropes (there are about 3.3 feet per metre) together, with a knot in the middle and Simon was attached to one end, and Joe on the other.

Slide Joe down, letting the rope through the belay device. When the knot got to the belay device, stop letting Joe slide. Joe would stand up to take the weight off the rope. Simon would then unattach the rope from the device, let the knot through, then reattach the rope and then let it continue for the rest of the 150feet.

Then when Joe was at the end of the rope, Simon would downclimb to join him.

They continued like this for quite a long time, repeating the process. Letting Joe slide down, then letting the knot through the rope, letting Joe slide down further, then Simon climbing down.

Simon was letting Joe slide down quite quickly, conscious of the time running out and the fact they needed to get down to the bottom as quickly as possible.
It must have been excruciating for Joe.

But there were still these interpersonal things going on.

Apparently Joe kept wondering if Simon was pissed off.

These are the things you think about when you’re with a friend, doing something. Is he pissed off? Does he mind? Apparently Joe was wondering if Simon was annoyed by it all.
But I think Simon was also suffering from shock and panic too, and to an extent he held a lot of responsibility now for both of them, because Joe was out of action. It was basically a single-handed mountain rescue by Simon, in extremely difficult conditions.
It must have been a desperate desperate feeling for both of them.

What they didn’t know at the time though, was that this was just the start and that it would get a lot worse, and that something awful was approaching that they had no idea about.
They continued going down the mountain in this fashion – Joe badly injured, in shock and losing blood into his leg, both of them exhausted, both dehydrated at altitude and close to hypothermia.

A race against time.

The weather turned bad again, and within an hour or two they were descending in a full storm, with wind chill factor of something like -80 degrees.

They couldn’t dig a cave and rehydrate because they’d run out of gas. There was nothing they could do. Apparently at this point they lost control and started panicking, flying down this mountain in this desperate fashion.

As they made some good progress, albeit in such awful conditions, Simon started feeling a sense of hope because he could see that they were virtually down. Almost down at the bottom.

Things were looking up.

I say “reach the bottom” – in reality there were lots of different sections and terrains between the summit and the camp. From top to bottom it was like this:
Peak
Ridge
Face
Less-steep part of the face (approach to the face)
Glacier (like a huge river of ice that flows from the top of the mountain range down to the river bed at the foot of the mountain – slowly moving down, carving out the valley as it goes, crushing rock underneath it) – full of crevasses (massive cracks in the glacier with drops that went down all the way to the floor – to the river bed of the glacier)
The bottom of the glacier – full of huge boulders and stones, with water trickling deep underneath them.
A long section of this rocky terrain.
The base camp next to a glacial pool.

God knows how far from civilisation this base camp was.

Anyway, they were nearly down the mountain face, approaching the glacier. For Simon, he could see a glimmer of hope.

Until suddenly, Joe slipped off a cliff.

Neither of them realised it was coming, but Joe suddenly felt the ground under him get icier and more and more steep, and he started slipping faster and faster – going like a rollercoaster downwards, screaming at Simon to stop, but Simon couldn’t hear him and had no idea it was happening, just assuming that Joe was going faster over some steeper ground..
And then -whoosh, Joe slipped right off the edge of a cliff and was left dangling in the air, right above a massive crevasse – a huge crack in the mountain that went straight down into pure darkness. Joe was dangling over a huge abyss. About 80 feet between him and the opening of the crevasse.

Describe the problem from Joe’s point of view.

He gave up hope and would have died as hypothermia began to set in.

From Simon’s point of view.

Simon’s decision. What would you have done?

What Simon did.

Night fell – Simon dug a snow cave.

Meanwhile, Joe wasn’t dead. He survived the fall and had landed on a ledge in the crevasse, not far from the top.

Day 5

Follow Simon as he goes down.

He was suffering from shock and was also in a serious condition with dehydration, hypothermia and exhaustion. He was also seriously traumatised by what had happened. Apparently he said he was convinced that he was going to die too.

But what about Joe?

Attached himself to the ice wall of the glacier.

Called for Simon.

Pulled the rope.

Saw it had been cut.

Impossible to get out – broken leg, overhangs. Ice.

Joe lost it.

He came face to face with his own death.

He didn’t have a religious moment. He knew nobody was coming to save him. There was no god, just the abyss. It filled him with fear.

Imagine the worst darkness. Fear of the dark – it’s primal.

He was also extremely angry and felt like this was not the end of his life.

Joe’s bravery and refusal to give up.

One of the most impressive moments that has stuck with me.
“You’ve got to keep making decisions, even if they’re wrong decisions, you know. If you don’t make decisions, you’re stuffed.”

Joe could have stayed on the ledge. He could have given up.
He chose to keep making decisions. He chose to keep moving forwards.
It just shows that you must not let things happen to you. Don’t just let yourself be carried away by events. Don’t stop making decisions and let yourself be carried away.
Even if you feel hopeless, like all options are screwed and that you’ll fail no matter what happens. Don’t stop making decisions.
You have to continue and keep going.
Like the famous quote, often attributed to Churchill – “If you’re going through hell, keep going!”
Don’t give up when things are hard and hellish. Keep going.
Don’t just stop and let things happen to you, especially when you’re in hell.
That’s no time to stop! You’re in hell. Keep moving! You’ll get out.
Joe decided he’d use the remaining rope he had to lower himself into the crevasse and possibly reach the bottom.

Bottom.
Crawled along.
Horrible sound – imagine the fear.
A spot of light. Hope.
The incredible joy of the light and emerging, born again.
But out of the frying pan into the fire.
This was still just the beginning of his challenge.
He started following Simon’s tracks.
Night fell. He crawled in the dark until he couldn’t go further and managed to create a snow cave.

Day 6

Simon’s tracks had gone.
He could see the massive challenge ahead of him. He nearly gave up when he realised how far he had to go. The challenge overwhelmed him almost completely.

He was presented with this massive maze near the bottom of the glacier, where it was full of crevasses, creating all these little pathways with huge holes down the sides. Joe had to shuffle through all of this.

He got to the rocks at the edge.
Much harder terrain.

Created a splint using his sleeping mat. Discarded his other gear.

Horrendous experience of trying to get through the boulders and through the rocks. Hopping, falling onto the rocks, getting up, continue. Falling virtually every hop, like breaking his leg again every time.

Just 25 yards but it took so long and with so much pain.

But he describes himself as insanely stubborn at times (spell it correctly this time!)
This worked to his advantage because he was determined not to be beaten. He wanted to have it his way.

This is where the second most impressive part came.

He broke up the challenge into bits. He said – right, I’ll get to that rock in 20 minutes. Everything became about getting to the next rock in 20 mins, then the next 20 minute challenge and so on.
He became obsessed with these targets. If he got to the rock in 18 minutes he’d be over the moon, ecstatic. If he made it in 22 minutes he’d be furious with himself.

This is another thing we can learn about achieving something big. It’s true – trying to achieve one huge thing can seem impossible. You might look at the whole challenge and think, “oh my god, there’s no way I can do that, it’s too big”. But the key to it is to set a series of small goals and just try to reach that, then another small goal. Break it down into little chunks and you will be able to do it. Looking at the whole challenge doesn’t help. It dwarfs you.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again – it’s like something my Dad said to me about how to eat an elephant (that sounds weird because you might think – why are you trying to eat an elephant? But it’s just a metaphor that my Dad said to me once).

The thing about my Dad is that he often tends to be right about things. It’s quite annoying when you’re having a discussion or debate because he always somehow ends up being right, but it’s also great because I have learned some pearls of wisdom from him. I don’t know where he got this one from himself, maybe his Dad.

Anyway, when I was a child I think I was talking about how I was finding a school project difficult – I think we were even walking in the garden, but that sounds like it’s too good to be true – walking in the garden with my Dad and he gives me a piece of wisdom, like something out of a Hollywood movie or something. Tell me father, how can I train in the force and become a jedi? Etc.

Anyway, I said “I can’t do my history project Dad…” and he dropped some wisdom on me, saying “How do you eat an elephant?”

The point is this:
Seeing the challenge as one whole thing can destroy your motivation, but step by step, bit by bit – that’s how you get a big thing done. And don’t give up.
Also, you just have to have drive – you have to be stubborn, you have to be motivated. Listen to that army captain you have in your head and obey him!

Joe says that at times he felt like there were two voices in his head. One saying, “let’s rest here in the sun it’s nice” and another part of him which was completely unsympathetic, saying “No, you’ve got to get to that rock. Now get up and go!”

We all have that inside us. That cold, pragmatic voice, which seems frightening or something, but we just have to listen to it sometimes, just to get things done.

Obviously Joe was in seriously bad physical condition at this point. Exhaustion, the badly broken leg, internal bleeding, shock, frostbite, hunger, injuries from his falls.
But also he started falling apart mentally too.
That feeling of there being several voices in his head or several parts of his mind got stronger and stronger – with one part being this cold pragmatic feeling of just relentlessly getting to the next point and the next after that, and the other part of him was just almost disconnected as his mind wandered away from what was happening as if he was observing it all from a distance. It must have been seriously strange and disturbing.

Sound of water driving him mad.

Night fell and he lay on the rock staring up at the stars and his consciousness became quite unhinged, having psychedelic out-of-body experiences. He says he felt like he was becoming part of the rocks and part of the mountain itself, and he lost all sense of time, feeling that he had lain there for centuries.

Day 7 – Joe still isn’t dead!

Meanwhile, Simon and Richard are preparing to leave the next morning.

Joe finds water.
Peeing himself, enjoying the sensation.
Feeling totally robbed of his dignity.
Realises he could make it.
But hit hard by the realisation that Simon and Richard might have gone.

The delusions – thinking that Simon and Richard were, for some reason, following behind him but choosing not to come and help him because they didn’t want to embarrass him.
Then realising that they weren’t there and feeling utterly hopeless and alone and distraught.
Considered just getting in his sleeping bag. But felt it was too pathetic.

Sun went down and he completely lost it. He couldn’t hold his mind together any more.

Confusion and madness. He tried to look at his watch but couldn’t work out what time it was.
The worst thing – he got a song caught in his head. Boney M – Brown Girl in the Ring. It went on and on for hours.

You know when you can’t sleep and you get a song caught in your head, really vividly. Imagine that but 1000x worse.
Like being trapped in hell.
It really upset him because he really wanted to think of other things but he couldn’t because of the song.
“Bloody hell I’m going to die to Boney M”

He would drift off, then wake up thinking he was in a pub car park drunk, he kept losing it. Totally delirious.

He woke up (or became conscious) because of a strong smell – it acted like smelling salts.
He’d crawled into the toilet area of the camp site.
After all that – he ends up crawling through their own shit at the end.
But it gave him hope that Simon and Richard might still be there. He had reached the camp. He called out to Simon, but got no reply.
That was the end for Joe.
This is when he finally knew he was finished.
He described how he lost himself completely at that moment. Ego death.

Simon and Richard were still in their tents, ready to leave the next morning. Apparently, Richard woke up because he thought he heard something.
Imagine you’re in the tent. This is about 4 days after Simon got back. They both thought Joe was dead.

Imagine you’re in the tent, feeling terrible, ready to leave the next day. Darkness.
The wind, blowing across the fabric of the tent. The shadow of the mountains in the background, with the knowledge that the body of your friend is still up there.
You wake up and you freeze because you’re sure you’ve just heard something.

There it is again, but it can’t be true. It sounded like a voice on the wind.
Apparently Richard waited, listening, and heard it again, and it really scared him because he wasn’t sure if it was real, or he was imagining it, or if it was a ghost.
He decided to check on Simon and discovered that he was already up – Simon had heard it too and was convinced it was Joe.

They searched for him shouting his name and found him on the ground a few minutes from the camp site.

What they found was the body of Joe, like a ghost or some kind of monster.
Joe was in such bad condition, covered in earth, crap, frostbite and sunburned, thin, starving, dehydrated and nearly dead.

They carried him to the camp and began the process of trying to rebuild his strength.
That’s where the story ends. We know that eventually Joe was brought down to a nearby civilisation where he received medical attention.

The challenge was not over there of course. I understand that he received some poor medical help in the basic hospital he ended up in, had to be flown back to the UK and his leg had to be amputated.

About the decision to cut the rope.

Joe has always defended Simon’s decision, saying that he would have done the same thing.
I can’t really understand why anyone would have a problem with what Simon did. Why should they both have died? It doesn’t make sense.

In fact, when you think about it, by cutting the rope, Simon saved Joe’s life, or helped to save him.

If Simon hadn’t cut the rope, they both would have fallen and it’s likely that one of them would have died. Let’s say that Joe would have landed on the ledge like before. Simon would probably have died. It’s unlikely that he would have landed on a ledge too. He probably would have fallen into the crevasse, dragging Joe in too. They both would have died.

Anyway what do you think?

Again, I urge you to watch the documentary film on Netflix, on DVD or on what other platform you can find.

Also, consider reading the book, or Joe Simpson’s other books – because apparently he had even more near death experiences on mountains too!

Let me also leave you with this

  • If you’re going through hell, keep going.
  • How do you climb a mountain? One step at a time. How do you get down a mountain? One step at a time too! Or you slide, or you drag yourself, or you hop. But you break down the challenge into achievable steps.
  • Nobody even broke their leg learning English – so, enjoy your studies and seize the day!

Thanks for listening.

What happened next?

Returning to Siula Grande

 

  • Agnes

    just unbelievable story, on the other hand, what is the need to be such a brave, indestructible and tough human, incredible, just unimaginable. For me it is very hard to visualize myself in their shoes, to put myself in this situation.

    • Cat

      Yes, Joe went an extra mile and literally threw himself in at the deep end to try his limits.

  • Adam

    Unfortunately the movie is not available in polish Netflix, what a pity!
    BTW this is my first comment in Luke’s site, so treat it as “coming out” from the LEP Ninja position.

    • Hi Adam, welcome out of the shadows (or closet?)

      Touching the Void should also be available on YouTube, either for free or as a paid stream with subtitles.

      • Adam

        Aaas Luke wrote to me directly, It’s an honour!
        After hundreds of episodes that I listened, finally, I decidate to wrote at least one comment to join the community.
        Thank you Luke (The King :) for some of as) for the hours of great entertainment for all lepsters. In my point of view your work have enomorous contribution in my level of english. Of course there is a lot to improve by my side, but still I just want to say a big THANK YOU!

    • Agnes

      Hi Adam

      maybe it will help

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=OugxP_ENqdY

      as Luke said underneath it is available on YouTube

      • Adam

        Hi Agnes, already got it after Luke’s comment.
        Thanks!

      • Agnes

        o yes I saw it also afterward not looking at the comments below, didn’t see Luke’s comment while posting, sorry

      • The only problem with those free YouTube versions is that they have been slowed down to avoid youTube’s automatic copyright detection. So it sounds like Joe and SImon have incredibly deep voices, like Barry White or something.

      • Eri

        Now I see… why you did not put any link of Youtube videos…
        I also find one and have been watching it bit by bit when I have time.

  • Sylvia

    This two episodes will become my inspiration.
    Picture Episode 16–Seductive Lips (It’s the first time to draw people, it’s not so good. I’ll try to draw it better and better.)
    uploads.disquscdn.com/images/682407bc12cdb172d7ae45150c01e919898c710d9229aeb165faaf764f29ea4f.jpg

    • Cat

      A black hole. :)

      • Nick

        With teeth :))

  • DToure

    I Loved this story ! Thank you so much Luke for this discovery. I saw the movie via YouTube. It is free ! It was just incredible. We must be grateful when everything is fine ! And apreciate it !! Thank you again Luke. You are the best !!

  • Nick

    An incredible story! Thanks for this Luke! It reminded me the story “Frog and Butter” somehow.
    I thought why did he get that Boney M song in his head, it’s quite a joyful and optimistic song… I think his mind actually understood that he made it and was near the camp, and his subconscious gave him this sign in a form of a song.

    • Nick

      I like Boney M’s Rasputin… :))
      www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDMlk3kSYg

    • Cat

      German children sing a winner song to Boney M’s melody when they win a game. It goes like this:

      So sehen Sieger aus, la la la la la
      So sehen Sieger aus, la la la la la la la.

      (x many times)

      (literal translation: Such look the winner, la la…)

      So, Joe was singing the winners’ song! :)

  • Cat

    There are five guys living in our heads; each one is trying to take control over us :)
    Just be aware of them and say hello to each! :)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WpKGqYAClk

  • Cat

    Wow, I just feel blown away by these two episodes!
    They are going to stick with me for a long long time…

    The story gave me to think about the human bravery and willkraft. It’s just a sad and at the same time hopeful and motivional story of human survival.

    I hope that no one of us will ever come in such a situation.
    Liked the quote: keep going, especially when you feel like being in hell. Keep making decisions. Even if they are wrong, keep making decisions, oterhwise you are stuffed.
    This is my uptake from these two episodes.
    Thank you Luke!

    PS: yesterday I watched the Revenant for the fist time (as a nice supplement to this story). Impressive acting and wonderful photography. What Hugh Glass couldn’t tell in words — is beautifully supplemented by Luke’s descriptions of Joe’s thoughts and feelings.

    • Agnes

      Some time ago we talked about Revenant, didn’t we? How it was your first impression of this movie? For me, some scenes were really surprising, e.g. when Leo hid himself in horse’s body, it was really impressive, to come up with such idea, I mean that movie director had to be very imaginative. I was immensely impressed by wonderful photography and both surprised and shocked by this man who had to survive in this hard environment.

      next great topic from TED radio – forgiveness, have you heard? great episode

      • Cat

        Good morning, Agnes!
        How have you been? How was your weekend? We had lots of rain. I tried to jog (but gave up after 7 km because I was wet like a fish). :))
        Yes, some time ago I tried to watch Revenant, but then the due time was over so I didn’t watch it properly.
        Those kinds of events are familiar to me (used to be fan of White Fang), and also my father is a hunter. Hiding in a horse (or in other big enough animal) is a common thing in those latitudes.
        Forgiveness ep is on my list. You know, first comes LEP then Simon & Mark and then TED radio hour. ;)
        Have a nice start of your week!
        PS: today is my son sick — so I stay in home office.

      • Agnes

        God morning Cat!

        All the weekend was extremely busy for me, my family came and we celebrated the first communion of my daughter before that was had been preparing food, cleaning and in the meantime my sickness.
        I’m so sorry for your son, I hope it’s nothing serious and he gets well soon!
        I haven’t run for last week, I’m missing it, but I’m still taking medicine drugs so my strength is lower than usual.
        Have a nice work at home office, BTW don’t be distracted on account of LEP! I know how it looks like, working at home…
        PS. What is Simon&Mark?

      • Nick

        Simon&Mark is a podcast about films. The actual name is ‘
        Kermode and Mayo’s Film Review’.

      • Agnes

        thanks Nick!

      • Cat

        Oh, I don’t have issues with the discipline, you know. ;))
        I can work as hard as a stakhanovite.
        This word I’ve learned by Simon & Markt, btw, they are the famous radio broadcaster and podcaster from the UK (BBC’s famous Film Review show).

        It’s always great fun to listen to their epic ramblings and to their guests. :)

      • Agnes

        Hi Cat,

        thanks, good to know, I have to check it out:-)

      • Agnes

        BTW We had a wonderful weather – 25 degrees, the shining sun, just it was more than we’d expected.

        It was The Weather Report…

      • Cat

        Oh thanks for this wonderful Weather Report! :)
        We are going to have a sunny day today, with up to +22°C. Finally! :)

      • Agnes

        yeeee, summer is coming ultimately, that’s a pity that spring passed by and we couldn’t enjoy it so that it rained, it was cold and suddenly we have 25. But that is better than nothing:-)

      • Agnes

        Cat, how’s your son feeling? hope, better:-))

      • Cat

        Hi Agnes, thanks, he has got an infection (but not a flu) and has spent the whole day in his bed, poor kid. Usually he gets well swiftly. Today, I have to give a presentation for our guest from Poland. ;) But then I’ll quickly return home again and do the home office together with the health care. :)

      • Agnes

        O Cat, good luck for your presentation! You’re good at it!

        When children are sick we always would like to change our seats in order to get rid of their suffering. I hope you know what I mean…

        You are a great multitasking person! Bravo! We mothers have to be such like this otherwise we wouldn’t do anything that we do. The most difficult thing is sharing career with raising kids:-)

        have a nice day!

      • Cat

        Thanks, Agnes, you are too kind! :)
        No, I’m not at all good at multitasking. I can only concentrate on one thing at one time. :))
        Cheers
        Cat
        PS: Child is almost fit again. :))

      • Agnes

        Glad to hear that everything is fine:-) Don’t you think that we women have to be multitasking? I’m sure you’re, I’m not too kind, I’m trying to be a truthful person, and I’m impressed by your person.

      • Cat

        Oh Agnes, you’re always too kind to me. Thank you! ;)
        But you are being too humble. In fact, I believe, that we are quite similar in personality traits to each other. :)

      • Agnes

        definitely agree! We are at the same wave length:-))

  • Jack

    King please let the next episode be a rambly episode.

  • No one is thinking about your decisions inside their deepest secrets. Pride yourself in insane stubborness when being a canary in a coal mine. Don’t give up the day job even it looks like the wheels are coming off. Pictures taken perfectly when cloudy with a slight chance of sunshine. Imagine waking up and seeing a beautiful rainbow that you live for. Paving the right way to a more adventurous life. Get ahead and learn something new every single day. Hail to LEP for having a great teacher like Luke !!!

    • Jack

      Eloquent

    • Cat

      Dear Mollie, I trust you are well! :)
      I know you are a long-time listener and commenter. Sorry, that Luke didn’t mention you in his new episode. I’m sure, if you answer to the answers to your comments, your name will stuck with Luke more. I felt a bit bad, that he didn’t mention you, who are our most eloquent and loyal member of the Church. :)
      Take care and read from you soon.
      Cat

      • Damn, I feel bad now. Mollie – in episode 450 I mentioned some of the regular website commenters, but I forgot to mention you! Sorry! You comment on every episode and you’re usually the first, but you don’t often have conversations with the other commenters.
        In any case, I’m sorry for not mentioning you in the episode!

  • Finn Oddvar Stensrud

    You are very productive, mr, Thompson!!!

    I am listening to you everery day!

    Thank you!

    I like your humor!!!

    Retired worker from Hønefoss in Norway.

    • Thanks Finn. Hello to Norway! I hope you’re enjoying all that British weather that we send to you.

      • Cat

        No way, Norway enjoys it! :) But maybe they prefer your weather than the weather coming chill-ful from the East… :)