399. The Return of Molly Martinez (with Dane Nightingale)

Talking with two American friends about journalism, how the internet works, the US presidential election results, California’s new marijuana laws and puffins.

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In this one you’ll hear me in conversation with Molly Martinez and Dane Nightingale.
Molly has been on the podcast before – she was in episodes 198 and 199 – have you heard those? They’re fun episodes. In those episodes we talked about her studies as a journalist, we tested each other’s general knowledge of the UK and the USA and I tried to teach her how to do different regional accents in British English. That was episodes 198 and 199, in 2014 – ah, 2014, such fun times, such innocent times… Those episodes are still available for you to hear in the episode archive.

198. A Cup of Tea with Molly Martinez

199. The UK/USA Quiz

For a few days Molly is back in Paris seeing friends and visiting her old haunts, and this time she is accompanied by Dane Nightingale, who I think you will agree has a rather fantastic surname. (by the way, a nightingale is a bird that sings a beautiful song but only during the night time).

They’re both here for a couple of days and thankfully I managed to grab them both (not physically of course, just figuratively) for about an hour of conversation on this podcast.

Overview of this episode (to help you keep up)

This episode has a light-hearted bit at the beginning, then quite a serious bit in the middle, then another light-hearted bit at the end. The serious bit is when we start talking about the election, and there is a palpable shift in tone in the conversation at that point – so look out for that.
In the first light-hearted bit we establish these things:
They’re an item – they’re going out with each other – they’re going steady (I think this is the expression in NAmE) – they’re boyfriend & girlfriend, but they don’t live together – so they’re not living in sin, as you’ll hear them say.
Molly is a journalist for CBS in SF. She’s mostly on the production side but she does some on-air stuff (like reports to camera) as well as video editing and writing for anchors.
Molly is also a stand-up comedian who tells jokes on stage. She also tells quite a lot of jokes off-stage too. I think it’s fair to say that she’s something of a compulsive joke teller, which is alright in my book.
You’ll hear that Molly makes a joke about how I’m the heir to the BBC fortune, which makes me sound like I’m set to inherit the entire BBC (quite funny). I then explain in huge detail how in fact the BBC is publicly funded (not very funny).
Dane works for a start-up called Fastly, which makes the internet faster.
He tells us how the internet is basically just a series of tubes, and how my audio episodes travel from my servers in Tower Bridge, London to users all over the world, and how the start-up company that he works for, Fastly, aims to make this process faster by allowing data to be stored locally. I’m not sure I understand how it works!
Molly tells us about the 5 things that make something newsworthy: relevance, time, novelty, proximity and cats.
Then the serious bit begins when I ask them about their reaction to the US election. Hopefully you’ll find it interesting to hear about this story directly from the mouths of two US citizens from San Francisco. We try to understand how Trump won and Hillary lost, including the motivations of the voters, the campaigns of both candidates and also how the electoral system had an impact on the result.
Then the podcast becomes slightly less serious again and  the conversation turns to the subject of marijuana laws in the USA, how Molly once met Tommy Chong (one half of the stoner comedy duo Cheech & Chong on an airplane – high in the sky, especially him) and then how both Molly and Dane are going to Iceland where it might be very cold, and where people might eat puffins – lovely little birds with colourful beaks.
You should also be aware of the meaning of these two words:

puffin

A puffin, puffing.

Puffins – cute birds which are protected by law in the UK but are very common in Iceland and apparently eaten there as a traditional delicacy.
Puffing – the gerund form of the verb ‘to puff’ which means to take smoke from a cigarette or perhaps a pipe, or a perhaps joint in the case of California. “To puff a joint, or take a puff from a joint, or toke a joint or take a toke from a joint”.

So – “enjoy your puffin”, can have two meanings – enjoy eating a little Icelandic bird as a delicacy, or enjoy smoking some weed (especially in California where it has recently been made legal).

Right, you are now ready to listen to the conversation, so here we go!

*Conversation starts – light-hearted bit – serious bit – light-hearted bit – conversation ends*

I just want to thank Molly and Dane again for coming on the podcast. They took some time out from their holiday to talk to me, and you, and some of that time was spent going over the election, and things did get a little heated during the serious part of that conversation.

Molly expressed her frustration about the standards that people seem to have about women in positions of power – something which Sarah Donnelly also talked about when she was on the podcast talking about Hillary Clinton recently.

Specifically regarding the public’s perception of female candidates, maybe it is harder for a woman to capture the trust of the nation, because she’s expected to have so many conflicting qualities all at the same time. If she’s too warm she’s considered too emotional, but if she keeps the emotions in she’s judged as cold. That’s, I think, what Molly was talking about when she said it’s a double-standard. The point I was trying to make was that I think voters respond to certain personal charisma regardless of their gender, but thinking about it maybe women are judged differently than men and it’s harder for them to strike the right balance.

Anyway, that’s quite enough politics for this episode. I just wanted to say thanks to Molly and Dane for talking about the election because they’re on holiday and this is probably a story that they’re quite sick of, after a year and a half of election coverage in the media back home, and I expect they’re glad to be away from it all for a few days. So, I hope you’ll join me in expressing your gratitude to them for taking the time to talk about it to us on this podcast. I very much enjoyed having them on the podcast, for their honest reactions and for the light-hearted bits at the beginning and the end.

Notes

~Lots of people have shown interest in hearing a conversation with my Dad about the recent news, including the election results and about recent political developments in the UK. I am planning on talking to him soon, so that episode should arrive before long – as long as I don’t get snowed under with work, or snow, or fall into a wormhole or something like that. I’m a bit wary of doing politics too much, for obvious reasons, but many of my listeners have sent me messages assuring me that they appreciate the commentary, so I won’t abandon the subject, but I will be getting on to other topics on this podcast as well as getting back to basics with some episodes about language.

~The next episode is #400, which is cool isn’t it? Not bad really, considering how long some of my episodes are. That must be about 400 hours of podcasting for you to hear. I’m quite proud to have made it this far. It’s mainly thanks to my listeners, your enthusiasm for this podcast, your support and the support of my sponsors. I’m not sure to what extent I’ll celebrate during episode 400 or anything. I did quite a lot of celebrating in episode 300 in which I had contributions from many of the guests I’ve had on this podcast over the years, as well as a few daft celebrity impressions by me and my brother. We’ll see… perhaps I’ll just switch on the mic and have a ramble, perhaps I’ll have some guests. We’ll see.

~Amber and Paul are both very busy at the moment. Paul continues to have success with his TV series which is called WTF France – an affectionate piss-take of French culture from the English point of view. It seems the French, generally speaking, are being very good-natured about it and are lapping it up. The show is now being broadcast now on Saturday evenings on Canal+, which is one of France’s major TV channels. That’s quite a big deal. Paul is now Saturday evening prime time entertainment! Amber and I are proud of him of course, and also pleased because we helped him to write some of the episodes. You can see them all on the YouTube channel called “What The Fuck France”.

“What the Fuck France” – YouTube Channel

Now, you might not understand the appeal of the videos if you don’t understand the specifics of French culture and it might just look like he’s insulting everyone, but the humour comes from the familiarity with French life, particularly in Paris and really he’s saying the sorts of things that most Parisian people think, but doing it in English. Also, the videos are really nicely produced and directed. They look great.

~The LEP anecdote competition is still open – in episode 396 you heard 10 anecdotes so please do vote in the poll. You can find that page by clicking the blue button on my website. I’ve decided that as a prize I’ll spend some time talking to the winner 1-to-1 on Skype. I hope the winner considers that to be a prize. It may or may not be recorded and published, we will see.

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More episodes are coming. I have lots of ideas and things in the pipeline, but there’s no telling sometimes what’s coming next. Often I just record and publish on an episode by episode basis – and the topic and content is often decided by whatever inspiration strikes me at a given moment. It seems quite random, but there’s a method to the madness.

Have a lovely day, night, evening, morning or whatever and speak to you soon. X

  • Marta KL

    Nightingale is one of my favorite English words ever! I love the way how it sounds (the word, not the bird) :-)))

    • Catherine Bear

      Marta, do you know the song “Die Nachtigall” (“The Nightingale”) by Mendelsson? Here is a taste of it:

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzfbtG05g6E

      • Marta KL

        I´ve never heard it, nice one! :)
        I like the song “To Sheila” by Smashing Pumpkins. The word nightingale is in 1.26 :)
        www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zcg2_lqs34

      • Catherine Bear

        A beautiful song, thanks Marta!
        I was suprised to see the word “autobahn” in the song. It’s a German word for the highway.
        Also how the singer pronounced the word “nightingale” was a bit strange to me. According to Macmillan it is pronounced with an -ing- in the middle: /ˈnaɪtɪŋɡeɪl/. Maybe he dropped the -ing- part because of the beat of the song, I don’t know…

      • Marta KL

        It´s funny you mentioned the word “autobahn” – I know it in German too and I often wondered how strange it sounds from the US singer´s mouth :) Maybe he has some roots in Europe :)))

      • Nick

        Yes, the word “autobahn” sounds strange, maybe because they used to pronounce “au” like “ɔ:” sound and more softly than it should be said.

  • Nick

    Jenny Jones says:

    “Our parliament is passing the #IPBill that will be the end of privacy in UK. And Trump can know all about each and every one of us.”

    Americans have known about every one even before Trump and nobody was concerned about. So, why it’s a problem now…:))

  • SergeyA

    Geez, apparently Brexit wasn’t enough. Britain just passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy” – the law that brings the mass internet surveillance into the Russia And China level. Not speaking of one surveillance camera for every 11 people in Britain. What happened to your country Luke? Member Berries?

    • Catherine Bear

      Sergey, could you provide the link for this new regulation, please? Those are interesting news, thank you. I would love to know more about it.
      Thank you!

      PS: I was asking myself, when does SergeyA sleep — because as I see here, your last comment here was 3 hours ago. I thought everybody in Europe was having a nice good-night rest at that time. I’m a bit worried about your health status — you should get enough sleep. ;)

    • Nick

      Every government in every country in all the times keeps track of people. Internet is just a new field for surveillance and they honestly say about it. It’s people’s right to agree with that or protest against it.
      Now you will be more careful surfing the web because you know about surveillance. How they say in our country: Предупрежден значит вооружен… I don’t know how to translate it properly :(
      uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a2535e29ba1f99e8cdef18044d7fd8ffef8d5c78c57f28d2599c0a67bb5f0a6.jpg

      • SergeyA

        “forewarned is forearmed”

      • Nick

        Looks nice. Thanks Sergey.

    • Nick

      Russian journalists = ISIS for the EU now… it worries me more than surveillance law in the UK. And journalists from different countries who work for RT for example will be under big pressure in their countries. It’s very sad.

      www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20161010IPR46530/be-aware-of-russian-and-isis-propaganda-warn-foreign-affairs-meps

      • Nick

        Now if someone says that it was a right of Crimean people to be with Russia he is a terrorist… it means that I’m also a terrorist and many russians too.

  • SergeyA

    Congrats Luke,that was the great episode! Could you help me with English?

    I came across the construction “X to be Y until it [not to be Y]” several times..For example in Silicon Valley TV Show:

    “That was pretty badass Richard, until it wasn’t”

    and I always thought that it literally means “X to be Y until something happens”. Recently I tried to use this construction in the article named “ES6 is great, until it’s not”(ES6 is programming language) and the main point of the article is ES6 is OK to use as soon as it does not bring serious problems. However, I can see from the comments and replies that many perceive the content like I am trying to discredit ES6 which was not my intention at all..I suspect that it happened because the name does not actually means what I thought it means..So, I need help – what’s the actual meaning of “X to be Y until it [not to be Y]” and whether it has fully negative connotations?

  • Catherine Bear

    what a cute cat on the picture. Did Molly rescue her? :)

    • Eri Taguchi

      I just love all cats!!!!
      I DO want to say tahnk you to Molly rescueing cats in denger.

      • Catherine Bear

        So do I. :)

      • Marta KL

        Are you sure she´s rescuing them? I thought she just makes stories of the rescues for TV ;-))

      • Eri Taguchi

        Yes, Police rescues cats and she reports them.
        But, it is still great that she reports about cats!!!

      • Catherine Bear

        Molly reporting LAPD for rescuing cats :))
        Eri, do you know what that means? :)

      • Eri Taguchi

        I did not know the word LAPD and find it on web.
        Los Angeles Police Department.
        And it is nice that the police is able to rescue cats on trees!!!!

      • Catherine Bear

        Eri, ah, I see.
        To report someone for doing something (usually illegal) means that you go to the police and tell them about this person and his illegal doings.
        I just found it funny in this context, that Molly would go and report the LAPD to another Police Department that they did something illegal. :)
        It was a joke :)

      • Catherine Bear

        Hi Eri, is there any clue of a P.G.Orilla in Osaka? ;)

      • Eri Taguchi

        Yes!!! I post it on the comment field of episode 400!!

      • Catherine Bear

        Yes, I saw it, Eri. Great pics! :))

      • Eri Taguchi

        Just because the gorilla was in Osaka, Luke could not find him in Tokyo when he had flown to Japan!!!

  • Catherine Bear

    Hi Molly! Great to have you back!

    Hi Dane – congrats on your first time on the LEP! Well done.

    Hi Luke — thank you for a great episode as always. Thanks that you will give a face time to the winner of the LEP Anecdote Competition. I’m sure she or he will be glad. You could give a mug as well. Or a T-Shirt. Then she or he could say “Been there, done that, got a T-Shirt.” :)

    And yes — bring your Dad back, please. And your Mom, please. And all your friends and relatives. Let’s have another party with lots of music and jokes! :)

    Good night,
    Cat (snowed down with work…….)

    • Nick

      I think you want very much from Luke, don’t you, Cat? :))

      • Catherine Bear

        Yes, I am the Lady of one’s nightmares. ;-)

      • Agnes

        Cat, you’re doing well, I see your dreams are coming true, step by step, do you remember you asked Luke for Molly being here, and here she is! So keep doing that :-) and we all will be pleased in the end:-)

        best wishes

      • Catherine Bear

        Agnes, I’ve been performing some shamanistic rituals and sending to Luke such thoughts throught the Universe. And he — being sensitive to the Force himself — received those thoughts and acted accordingly. ;)

      • Catherine Bear

        And, of course, I’m always thinking of the Message by the Master which went like this:

        “Whenever you are learning English: Don’t expect to be spoon-fed. Don’t sit on the high-chair like a baby. Bring your own stuff and topics to your English lecture.”

        So I reacted accordingly. ;)

      • Agnes

        yes yes yes, You hit the nail on the head, by the way I can’t even imagine my English classes without topics I could bring, in my opinion if you want to get good results you have to bring something to the table, you cannot only sit and expect that teacher does everything for you. We are model students ahh:-)

      • Catherine Bear

        Model students – haha – who didn’t participate in the Anecdote Competition. Just watching other work (at least myself — I know, you are a grammar addict ;)

      • Agnes

        no no you have to get back these words uhh, Luke is going to say that I’m a geeky, but no, I’m not at all. I have to get my job done, that’s all:-)
        yes, we’re shy women staying behind and observing, but it doesn’t mean that we’re not role model students:-) ha ha

      • Catherine Bear

        Agnes, Luke’s going to say nothing of sort. He is generally been silent lately, did you notice it? (Except in his episodes, of course).

      • Agnes

        yes I’ve noticed that he has a quite silent period of time, but who knows, maybe he’s preparing something special for us, what do you think?

      • Catherine Bear

        Yes, obviously, he has been busy preparing his new season 4, starting with a language episode with a long script. What a relief for the transcribers! :)

      • Agnes

        next episode is great, I mean 401, that is my part of learning now, how to deal with an accuracy in speaking. You know, I’ve noticed, that since I’ve started studying grammar in particular, I have some issues with fluency. I hope it will disappear when I stop do it ( I mean, studying boring grammar hi hi )

        have a lovely day
        see you

      • Catherine Bear

        I’ve got the impression, Agnes, that your fluency is really improving. Since you have this Scottish lady of yours. I envy you for having such luck!!! ;)

        But, we all have our Teacher Luck, haven’t we? ;)

      • Agnes

        I hope he is not going to feel offended by this name hi hi. But yea, you’re absolutely right, we are lucky guys having him as our teacher. You know what, I always thought that American accent is a nice one, although we used to listening it all the time, in movies, TV shows,now I see more familiar to British accent, and that is cool. Now it seems to me more like a royal language:-)

      • Agnes

        anyway why have you got up so early?

      • Catherine Bear

        Well, Agnes, as you know, I am an early bird (but not a puffin) ;)

      • SergeyA

        I only hope that you didn’t take “lady from nightmare” too seriously. It was a mean joke, bad joke but I didn’t intend to harm you, it was just joke..

      • Catherine Bear

        Apology accepted. :)

      • SergeyA

        well, I mean, it’s wasn’t an apology per se, but rather the explanation.

      • Catherine Bear

        :)

      • Nick

        :)

  • Agnes

    hi Luke!

    I would say that you don’t have to say us which one and what sort of content is going to be in next episodes, for me, personally, I like to be surprised, that’s why I’m a big fan of your podcast.
    This episode is really entertaining even though there is some politics which I don’t like, but it is good to know some of information from the world, especially from Americans according to the current situation.
    One of my friends visited my home last Friday and said to me very interesting thing, because he is a Poll has been living in the US for last thirty years and he has an American nationality, that people are glad there, that Mr Trump was elected, whereas we get different news in Poland.

    cheers

    • Agnes

      I forgot particularly to express my gratitude of having Molly and Dane here in the podcast, it was so pleasant to hear American voices, thank you for the time they devoted and being here, so we’ve got a great natural conversation.

  • Eisa Ibrahim

    hi, Luke! how are you? your podcasts are very cool, I have discovered them recently and since then i am a big fan of you…. I am Eisa Ibrahim from Sudan/Africa

    • Catherine Bear

      Hello Eisa, hello Africa! :) It’s so nice to have you here among the commentators, on the light sight of the Universe. ;)

      So how are things going at your part of the world? I’ve only been to Gambia, but it is quite on the other side of the continent, is it not?

      Cheers,
      Cat

      • Eisa Ibrahim

        Hi Catherine! how are you? hope you are fine? :) , thanks for your lovely message…. things are OK here in Sudan, i invite you to visit us next time ;).

        where are you from Cat?

      • Catherine Bear

        I’m glad that everything is fine in Sudan. :)
        Thanks for the invitation, it’s very kind of you. ;)
        I’m originally from RUS, but currently living in GER.